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			10323 - Bromeliads (Wild) - 2012-08-15 
			(Dimensie: 1931 x 2901 pixels - Teller: 15816) 
			Tillandsia somnians
			 
			  
				(Geladen als: Tillandsia ?) 
				Verzamel locatie: Colombia - Antioquia - Yarumal - Llanos 
				Fotograaf: Bruce Dunstan (Verzonden: brom-l@science.uu.nl) 
				Determinatie: Opgelost 
				
				 
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				- Determinatie (10322): Matthias Asmuss  (2012-08-15) =Tillandsia denudata 
						
 
						  - the upper ones taking the sun, turning so red that you first think of Ti somnians that only occurs in Peru (Verzonden: brom-l@science.uu.nl) - Determinatie (10324): HEL  (2012-08-15) =T. cf denudata 
						
 
						  - T.denudata based on overall habit BUT T. somnians common in S.Ecuador. (Verzonden: brom-l@science.uu.nl) - Determinatie (10322): Eric Gouda  (2012-08-16) =Tillandsia somnians 
						
 
						  - looks very much like T.somnians, except that it does not form the viviparous pups in the inflorescences (that as far as I know always is the case in this species and often less spikes) (Verzonden: brom-l@science.uu.nl) - Opmerking (10322): Matthias Asmuss  (2012-08-16) - Ti somnians has very few spikes at the apex and they do not hang as it does in this species; I have growing Ti somnians here on rocks and almost always there is a viviparous pup in the inflorescence and here I see no pup in the inflorescence at all. By the way, in FCBS Ti somnians is not mentioned for Ecuador, but it can be amended. (Verzonden: brom-l@science.uu.nl)
 - Determinatie (10324): Franz Gruber  (2012-08-16) =Till. somnians 
						
 
						  - It is somnians. Only the fl. spike is too jung to have offshoots. We have them from the same region. - Opmerking (10322): Bruce Dunstan  (2012-08-31) - In Bromeliaceae of Venezuela they have T. tovarensis that looks close to this ? (Verzonden: brom-l@science.uu.nl)
 - Determinatie (10322): Matthias Asmuss  (2012-08-31) =Tillandsia denudata 
						
 
						  - in such a big population of Tillandsia you should be able to see at least one viviparous pup in the old and dry inflorescences or the mature plants be the result of a pup in any scape, but I don't see any of these habits to identify a Ti somnians; besides the too many spikes for a somnians are hanging down here (Verzonden: brom-l@science.uu.nl)  
				
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